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Homosexual Americans may be different from other Americans, but not when it comes to their need for permanent relationship and the official recognition of that relationship by society and the government.
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Phyllis Lyon, left, 83, and Del Martin, 87, right, who have been a couple for 55 years, for finally receiving a modicum of recognition in the form of a marriage certificate in a civil ceremony in San Francisco, Thursday, Feb. 12, 2004 AND for being the first couple to be officially married in California on June 16, 2008 after the state's Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional to deny gays equality where marriage law is concerned. |
Ed Condon and Norman Lorenz , who have been a couple for 25 years, with their 12 year old daughter, 9 year old son and family pet. They were the first same-sex couple to adopt a child in Sacramento County, Calif. |
| Sadly, the money poured into California's "Proposition 8", in 2008, by the fundamentalist Protestant, Catholic and Mormon churches succeeded in taking away the basic human right of our homosexual brothers and sisters to marry in that most important of the United States of America. Here is an eloquent response to that tragic miscarriage of "Christianity" by a good friend of mine, Gregg Deselms : deselms-prop-8-speech. | |
Some of the most revered words, in one of the most revered documents in America, The Declaration of Independence, read as follows:
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all men (except for Homosexuals) are created Equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."Anyone see an "except for Homosexuals" clause in there? How are homosexuals supposed to pursue happiness, if they aren't allowed to marry life-time partners of their choosing? For several generations after the Declaration of Independence was proclaimed , it turned out that "all men" didn't really mean "all men", but only "certain white males". It took a Civil War to force white male Americans to recognize that black men are also "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." Then, it took several more generations to persuade all those men that women too "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." Apart from the fact that heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a factor of about 10 to 1, and that fact alone affords them the might to bully those politically weaker than themselves, what moral right does the heterosexual majority have to deny that homosexuals are just as "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights," including "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" ? If that doesn't mean the right to marry one's lover and to have a family if they so choose, then what does it mean? If "all" doesn't mean everybody, then how can you or I claim that it applies to us? We can't ! When I got a letter to the editor published in the New Haven Register, making the point above, the paper illustrated my letter with this cartoon:
In the very last letter Jefferson penned, he wrote: "All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few (born) booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God." – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826
"Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it."
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except Negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics.' When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy." Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation & Youth:
which is endorsed by many highly regarded organizations, including the following :
" 'Reparative therapy' is based on an understanding of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and mental health professions. [ An Advocate.com exclusive posted, August 15, 2005 ] "I swore never to be silent whenever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Elie Weisel |
An organization opposed to this type of marriage claimed that legalizing it would result in "a degraded and ignoble population incapable of moral and intellectual development.” “I believe that the tendency to classify all persons who oppose (such) marriage as ‘prejudiced’ is in itself a prejudice,” claimed a noted psychologist. A U.S. representative from Georgia declared that allowing this type of marriage 'necessarily involves (the) degradation” of conventional marriage, an institution that 'deserves admiration rather than execration.” “The next step will be (the demand for) a law allowing them, without restraint, to … have free and unrestrained social intercourse with your unmarried sons and daughters,” warned a Kentucky congressman. “It is bound to come to that. There is no disguising the fact. And the sooner the alarm is given and the people take heed, the better it will be for our civilization.” “When people (like this) marry, they cannot possibly have any progeny,” wrote an appeals judge in a Missouri case. “And such a fact sufficiently justifies those laws which forbid their marriages.” These types of marriages are 'abominable,” according to Virginia law. If allowed, they would 'pollute” America. In denying the appeal of this type of couple that had tried unsuccessfully to marry, a Georgia court wrote that such unions are 'not only unnatural, but … always productive of deplorable results,” such as increased effeminate behavior in the population. “They are productive of evil, and evil only, without any corresponding good … (in accordance with) the God of nature.” A ban on this type of marriage is not discriminatory, reasoned a Republican congressman from Illinois, because it “applies equally to men and women.” Attorneys for the state of Tennessee argued that such unions should be illegal because they are “distasteful to our people and unfit to produce the human race.” The state Supreme Court agreed, declaring these types of marriages would be “a calamity full of the saddest and gloomiest portent to the generations that are to come after us.” Lawyers for California insisted that a ban on this type of marriage is necessary to prevent 'traditional marriage from being contaminated by the recognition of relationships that are physically and mentally inferior,” and entered into by “the dregs of society.” “The law concerning marriages is to be construed and understood in relation to those persons only to whom that law relates,” thundered a Virginia judge in response to a challenge to that state’s non-recognition of these types of unions. “And not,” he continued, “to a class of persons clearly not within the idea of the legislature when contemplating the subject of marriage.” These quotes are actually all about banning marriage between whites and blacks, but they are being recycled in our day for homosexuals. |
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| To appreciate how far ahead of his contemporaries President Truman was, it's good to look back at surveys that were made of public opinion in those days. After black Americans had proven themselves by fighting heroicly during World War II, their country continued to treat them as second class citizens even after the war. On trains carrying German war prisoners, for example, the black heroes were sent to the back cars of the train, while the German criminals were seated up front with the other whites.
The following are pages excerpted from a 1948 study commissioned by the government of the views of U.S. airmen. |



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Gays today are in the very same position that "mixed-race" couples were in until very recently. The "All Things Considered" program for March 16, 2004 on National Public Radio http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/ was devoted to this issue and showed how foolish previous policies appear to us, which our forebears took for granted. Two people could spend a life-time together, raise any number of children, and yet when one died, some "next of kin" could step in and invoke laws on the books to have the surviving spouse declared a virtual stranger, kicked out of their home, denied any inheritance, etc. And that's what can happen to gay spouses now. Gays don't want the rights and privileges granted to religious people by their houses of worship. Whatever religious rights and privileges Christians, Jews, Muslims or whomever derive from getting married in those communions, gays who are asking for CIVIL Marriage don't want them. All that homosexual couples want are the secular rights and privileges granted by states and/or the national government to heterosexual couples regardless of whether those couples have a marriage recognized by a church or other faith, or NOT. And the only term in American law that conveys those rights is the expression "civil marriage" (which should never be, but often is confused with religious or "sacramental" marriage). Perhaps we should rescind the practice of the state recognizing marriages performed by clergymen as state-approved marriages, and instead require a separate "civil marriage" performed by a civil servant, to make it clear to everyone that "marriage" has two very different meanings. Or we could make it a point to always specify when we are talking about "religious marriage", "civil marriage" or both. |
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Since most of the objections to the granting of equal rights to gays, where civil marriage is concerned, comes from people who object on religious grounds, we deal with those religious issues on our separate pages: http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/God&gays.html for other Christians |
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And Rare Courage Speaks Out : Iowa Rep. Ed Fallon, to the Iowa House 2/20/96 :
"Ladies and gentlemen of the House, I have anguished over this
bill, not because there is any doubt in my mind as to how I
should vote, but because I believe strongly that what we are
dealing with here is the defining civil rights issue of this
decade. Historically, this issue may prove to be the most
significant matter we deal with this year, and so I would
respectfully ask the body's indulgence and attention during
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For the purpose of this study, "homophobia" was defined as a negative emotional reaction (e.g., fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort) to homosexuality. After being grouped according to the results of the questionaire, each was shown three types of X rated videotapes: heterosexual, lesbian and gay. A plethysmograph measuring device (affectionately called a "peter meter") measured the circumference of their penis as a gauge of their sexual arousal when they were viewing the tapes. The two groups exhibited very similar arousal when they viewed 4 minute samples taken from one heterosexual and one lesbian movie (both involving female "sex objects"). But they responded differently to the male homosexual clip, as illustrated in this graph:
other righties' diatribes against "faggots". |
Speaking only of homosexuals being allowed to marry in the eyes of the state, not the church – which is an entirely different issue – I would love to ask all those people vote against gays being allowed to marry other gays what they think homosexuals should do (i.e. what these people would vote for, if asked): b) Would they prefer that homosexuals "choose to be normal" and marry a person of the other gender? c) Would they prefer that homosexuals live celibate lives (the choice often recommended by the supposedly expert celibate Catholic clergy) ? d) Would they prefer that homosexuals just put themselves out of their misery and commit suicide, as many of them do ? e) or is there some other more rational option for all concerned, like marriage recognized by the public at large, if not by particular churches? In a Washington, D.C., cemetery, on the gravestone of a Vietnam veteran, it is written, "When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men, and a discharge for loving one." "Ten years after Pentagon leaders toughened policies on extremist activities by active duty personnel – a move that came in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing by decorated Gulf War combat veteran Timothy McVeigh and the murder of a black couple by members of a skinhead gang in the elite 82nd Airborne Division – large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists continue to infiltrate the ranks of the world's best-trained, best-equipped fighting force. Military recruiters and base commanders, under intense pressure from the war in Iraq to fill the ranks, often look the other way. Neo-Nazis "stretch across all branches of service, they are linking up across the branches once they're inside, and they are hard-core," Department of Defense gang detective Scott Barfield told the Intelligence Report. . . The armed forces are supposed to be a model of racial equality. American soldiers are supposed to be defenders of democracy. Neo-Nazis represent the opposite of these ideals. They dream of race war and revolution, and their motivations for enlisting are often quite different than serving their country. . . Soldier Shortage In 1996, following a decade-long rash of cases where extremists in the military were caught diverting huge arsenals of stolen firearms and explosives to neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations, conducting guerilla training for paramilitary racist militias, and murdering non-white civilians (see timeline), the Pentagon finally launched a massive investigation and crackdown. One general ordered all 19,000 soldiers at Fort Lewis, Wash., strip-searched for extremist tattoos. But that was peacetime. Now, with the country at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the military under increasingly intense pressure to maintain enlistment numbers, weeding out extremists is less of a priority. "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members," said Department of Defense investigator Barfield. "Last year, for the first time, they didn't make their recruiting goals. They don't want to start making a big deal again about neo-Nazis in the military, because then parents who are already worried about their kids signing up and dying in Iraq are going to be even more reluctant about their kids enlisting if they feel they'll be exposed to gangs and white supremacists." Barfield, who is based at Fort Lewis, said he has identified and submitted evidence on 320 extremists there in the past year. "Only two have been discharged," he said. "Contrast that with how the military views soldiers who are homosexual. Since 1993, when Congress passed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, the military has discharged more than 11,000 soldiers for being gay. About 800 of those who were booted out, including 80 linguists, were occupying highly critical jobs. Training their replacements has cost taxpayers at least $364 million. The only conclusion we can draw is that the Pentagon considers gay soldiers more threatening than neo-Nazis. That's a sad, and frightening, commentary on the current leadership." "The Constitution was written to guarantee basic rights to all Americans, not deny them to some. ..The GOP touts 'family values,' while Democrats value all families." (June 2, 2006, National Stonewall Democrats Convention) |
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Imperfect Unions. In the dramatic mid-term elections of Nov. 2006, there were four states in which resolutions to ban gay marriage passed, but Arizona bucked the trend and narrowly rejected their "Resolution # 107". For a very interesting analysis of exit polling on that resolution, see www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/AZ/I/04/epolls.0.html which reveals among other things that women, younger people, well-educated, and more prosperous people were the ones responsible for the resolution's failure, and the strongest support for the ban was from African American men, people with incomes between $15 & 50 thousand a year, and those over age 60, and those with the least education (no H.S. or College). Of course Conservatives and Republicans were much more likely to support the ban than Liberals and Democrats. |
[ which shows how much we all owe to homosexuals, and why they need not be ashamed of being different ] [First a chronological list, and then an alphabetical one :]
and are listed alphabethically [ with duplicates removed ] :
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the American Anthropological Association The American Anthropological Association, the people who study culture, released the following statement in response to President Bush's call for a
constitutional amendment banning gay marriage as a threat to
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| If homosexuality is an unnatural aberation, the conservative preachers of all faiths need to get up to speed and persuade these hundreds of animal species to stop 'living in sin' ! |
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