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BushWar vs.  Peace

        How can both of the U.S. commanders in chief, Bush and Cheney, claim to be "Christians" while starting and/or conducting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that are incompatible with the teaching of Jesus Christ? , as I show at great length at .
        In contrast however, to "Liberal" Christians who believe what Jesus taught about war and violence, "Conservative" Christians, like many in the Southern Baptist Convention ( which broke with the regular Baptists in order to endorse and defend African American slavery) has no problem giving its blessing to war.  They promote war in their schools and churches :

"War Games for teens at Beulah Baptist"

      "Beulah Baptist Church is hosting War Games for teen-agers July 8-10 from 6-9:30 p.m. There will be fun, food, prizes and competitions. The Marines will battle the Navy in areas such as War Ball, Obstacle Course, Volleybomb and Huge Mud-Tag.
      There will be hundreds of dollars in door prizes. The event is for anyone going into the sixth grade through those who graduated from high school this year.
      Registration begins at 6 each evening. Call 407-656-3342 and pre-register for either team."
      This "church", it concludes, is "at 671 Beulah Road, Winter Garden, FL 34787".


      Did George Bush's "Christian" administration have recruiters on hand at such events to "pre-register" these so-called "Christian" teens and get them committed to military service before they actually read the Gospels for themselves and find out how little respect Jesus Christ had for military solutions?
See why, in their own words, how Conservative Southern "Christians" defend to this day violence
and even slavery as "God's Word" at www.JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/ about/christianconservatism.html.


        "Imperial Christians who equate patriotism with militarism and nationalism now have a book to guide them: The American Patriot's Bible.' See The American Warmonger's Bible, which I haven't read, but imagine uses some of the deplorably scripture that I feature at WhatKindofGod.org.
        Conservative Christian warmongers sometimes dare to quote the following words of Jesus to support war : "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." What a great example of mis-quoting someone out of contextHere is the context :
Matthew 10: 34- 37  
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
        It's obvious from the context that Jesus wasn't expressing support for what we call "war" vs. "peace" between countries, but rather the inevitability of strife within families when some members of the family want to follow Jesus and some don't.
        It's hard to imagine sincere people really believing that Jesus was endorsing war or violence in this passage ( or any other).

        Another conservative once tried to justify the ownership and use of guns to me by quoting these words of Jesus, "the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one."
        Another classic case of "quoting out of context". Here's the text preceding that passage, in

Luke, Ch. 22: 35- 38  
He said to them, "When I sent you out without a purse, bag, or sandals (or a sword), did you lack anything?" They said, "No, not a thing." He said to them, "But now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me, 'And he was counted among the lawless'; and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled."  They said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." He replied, "It is enough."
        Does anyone think that Jesus was recommending the use of swords as anything more than a prop in a play, used not to intimidate, but only to educate?
        In Matt. 26:52, Jesus said, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives."
-James Madison



        Before delving into the question of whether the recent war with Iraq was justified when it was started unilaterally by Bush & Blair, I would like to draw your attention to a Senate hearing on May 17, 2005 in which George Galloway, a member of the British Parliament was being accused of corruption in the U.N. "Oil for Food Scandal". Far from being cowed by the U.S. Senate committee, headed by the freshman Republican Senator from Minnesota, Norm Coleman, Mr. Galloway levelled a blistering indictment of the Bush administration, a newsworthy event if ever there was one. Did the mainstream media notice? No. Can you read his testimony on the official Congressional website? No; not any more, because it has vanished, like the weapons of mass destruction. Except that millions of people saw Mr. Galloway's testimony on C-Span, and the official transcript was published on the site, until someone had it removed.
        Who or what will be removed next ?!?
Here, however, is an "unofficial" transcript of his earthshaking testimony :
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0517-35.htm
and here is an MP3 recording of at least part of Galloway's testimony : http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/George_Galloway.mp3
And here is a great RealPlayer video of the entire hearing :
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/Galloway/Galloway.rm

        When Leaders of the U.S. Council of Churches and of George W. Bush's own United Methodist Church were not allowed to address the President in person in the lead up to the war, they had to spend good money to address the following advice to him in a full page New York Times ad:


[ Here's the PDF version. ]

        George W. Bush had no use for the advice of all of the church leaders who signed the statement above or those cited below.
        When Bob Woodward, the Washington Post writer, asked Bush if he ever sought the advice of his father, President George H.W. Bush, the younger Bush replied,  "There's a higher father I look to."  It now appears that his own father, who had led America into the first war with Saddam, didn't think it was a good idea for his son to do it again.  But God the Father, if you believe George W., was telling him the very opposite of what he was telling most every one else outside of G. W. B.'s inner circle.

January 4, 2002
Bush = (Christian) "Layman of the year" ?
        An ultra-Conservative United Methodist "renewal group" has named President Bush denomination's "Layman of the Year".
        Even though some bishops and other officials in the church have criticized the war on terrorism, the head of "Good News Magazine", James Heidinger, says Bush, "represents the mainstream of United Methodism and indeed historic Christianity in a way that many denominational leaders do not."  "Good News" is part of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, a movement financed by wealth Conservative interests to urge Conservatives Christians to fight against Liberal policies and leaders in mainline denominations.



        The National Council of Churches, which represents the country's Methodists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians and 32 other denominations, has, against all tradition, been brushed aside by this President, while evangelicals have enjoyed unparalleled access.
        "Bush has shown an ideological commitment to the literalist Christian tradition at the expense of the broader view of the larger religious community,"
        National Council of Churches general secretary Rev. Bob Edgar told Salon.com, which is just a nice way of saying that the girl next door has been dumped for Tammy Faye Baker.
        "He is the first president not to meet with the leadership of mainline Christian traditions since George Washington.
        We've been able to talk with the prime minister of Britain and the chancellor of Germany, but not our own president."
        The Reverend Fritz Ritsch also questioned this historic snub:
        "I trust God speaks through me," George Bush reportedly told a gathering in Lancaster, PA.
        "The president apparently believes that he can talk about theology from the bully pulpit without talking to theologians,"  Ritsch wrote in the Washington Post.   "Which begs the question: When did the president become theologian in chief?"


Published on Thursday, February 20, 2003 by the lndependent/UK

Archbishops  Question  Blair's Claim
to 'Moral Legitimacy' of Invasion of Iraq

by Andrew Clennell
        The leaders of Britain's two main Christian churches united against Tony Blair this morning, expressing doubts about the moral legitimacy of invading Iraq.  The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, and the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, Cormac Murphy O'Connor, released a statement at midnight that also warned of the "unpredictable humanitarian and political consequences of war".  The attack on the "moral legitimacy of war" came after Saturday's speech by the Prime Minister in the lead-up to Britain's biggest protest, in which he made a "moral case" for removing Saddam Hussein.
        But the clerics also called on President Saddam to comply with UN demands.  "War is always a deeply disturbing prospect; one that can never be contemplated without a sense of failure and regret that other means have not prevailed, and deep disquiet about all that may come in its train," the statement said.  "We are very conscious of the huge burden of responsibility carried by those who must make the ultimate decision . . .  The events of recent days show that doubts still persist about the moral legitimacy, as well as the unpredictable humanitarian and political consequences, of a war with Iraq."
        But, in a welcome message (to the Prime Minister), the men said they recognized that the "moral alternative to military action cannot be inaction, passivity, appeasement or indifference".  They said it was "vital" that all sides engaged through the UN in a process which "could and should render the trauma and tragedy of war unnecessary".  They also "strongly" urged Iraq to demonstrate its "unequivocal compliance with UN resolutions on weapons of mass destruction".  "The season of Lent is now approaching, a time when all Christian traditions encourage us to examine ourselves honestly, to acknowledge our shortcomings and to seek reconciliation with God," they said.  Dr Williams, a long-time declared opponent of war, who was appointed last year, is leader of 70 million Anglicans across the world, while Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor is leader of four million Catholics.  Their statement comes after more than five million people marched in protest against the war around the world over the weekend, including more than a million in London.



Additional Statements by Various Christian Groups:

The United Methodist Church
A statement from the president of the Council of Bishops

A letter to G.W. Bush from

www.cmep.org/letters/2002Sep12_BushReIraq.htm

The Episcopal Church
A letter from the House of Bishops to Congress

The Society of Friends
A joint statement from several Quaker leaders

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson's statement on Iraq situation

The Mennonite Central Committee
A call to action in favor of non-violent resolution to the crisis (April 2002)

The Presbyterian Church, USA
News release on General Assembly Council's call to action

The United Church of Christ
Statement of United Church of Christ leaders opposing a war against Iraq

The Unitarian Universalist Association
A pastoral letter from association president Rev. William G. Sinkford,



        There may be few Roman Catholics in the Bush family, but there are many millions of them in the country he leads, and the statements below reflect the long-standing teaching of that church that Roman Catholics are only allowed to engage in a war when it can be justified in their conscience as "a JUST war":

USATODAY.com - Pope fears religious hatred in Iraq war
Posted 3/29/2003 12:46 PM
Vatican City (AP) — Pope John Paul II urged the faithful Saturday not to allow the Iraq conflict stir up hatred between Christians and Muslims, saying that would transform the war into a "religious catastrophe"
. . .
"In all of this, however, one must be careful not to yield to the temptation to define groups of people by the actions of an extremist minority," he said.
"Authentic religion does not advocate terrorism or violence, but seeks to promote in every way the unity and peace of the whole human family."
In the months before the Iraq war began, John Paul lobbied in favor of a negotiated solution.  He has said there is no legal or moral justification for the military action, and has worried about how it could affect relations between Christians and Muslims.

Vatican Terms Preventive War
Against Iraq Unjustifiable Aggression :

Vatican City, Dec 17,2002 :
        A senior Vatican prelate on Tuesday condemned any so-called "preventive war" against Iraq as "aggression".
        Archbishop Renato Martino, who heads the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, said: "Preventive war is a war of aggression and does not come under the definition of a just war."
        Martino was referring to the current US military build-up for a possible war with Iraq, which has been labelled a "preventive war" by US officials, including President George W. Bush.
        The prelate, the Holy See's former representative at the United Nations, where it has observer status, made the comments as he presented Pope John Paul II's message for World Peace Day on January 1.(2003)-AFP

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
A letter from the USCCB's president, Wilton Gregory, to George W. Bush

See more statements by the leaders of other major faiths below.

        At the time that these religious leaders declared President Bush's war immoral, they did so on the grounds that it was declared without sufficient just cause.  They did so even without knowing what they learned later that many of the arguments in favor of the war were at worst a pack of lies, or at best incredibly inept intelligence, (which Bush's people nevertheless assured us was "rock solid").
        These religious leaders also did not know that the war would be conducted in such an immoral fashion, using illegal means, such as the well-documented torture, and using immoral weapons which are resulting in horrible damage and suffering to innocent people not just in our time, but to many, many, many generations to come.
        www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html shows many actual photographs of the horrible harm being done to innocent mothers and babies in our name, by our troops, using weapons that all Americans are paying for, whether they like it or not.

        Here are more photographs, [ one of a portfolio of photos called "The Unseen Gulf War", to be found at: ] digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt_intro.html

Iraqui Family

        Everybody knows that the bombs and missiles that George Bush & Tony Blair unleashed in our name did not just obliterate buildings.  They have brutally maimed or ended the lives of many beautiful perfectly innocent people like these.

Click on this picture to
see many more pictures from
www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims.

A friend of mine has observed regarding Americans watching and supporting the war as it was being televised:
        "It struck me that what we are watching on TV is the modern equivalent of the Gladiators vs. the Christians in the Roman Coliseum.
        We are getting our jollies by watching, live or nearly live, close-up and in "living" color, our proud warriors destroy a nation and a people that we consider worthless compared to us."

        In Chiang Mai, Thailand, at the conference Religion, Gender Equity and Economics, the representative from South Africa said at the opening reception,  "What are you Americans going to do to the world this time?"  And before I could even try to reply, she went on,  "We are the people who should be voting in your election.  After all, your president affects our lives more than he does yours."
[ an excerpt = "From Where I Stand : Have these people got an idea for you!"
by Joan Chittister, OSB ]

Statements by Various JEWISH Groups:

The Union of American Hebrew Congregations
Decision of the Executive Committee

The American Jewish Congress
A statement from the Executive Committee in support of intervention in Iraq

The Jewish Council for Public Affairs
A statement praising Bush's speech to the United Nations

Statements by Various MUSLIM Groups:

The Arab American Anti-Discrimination Council
A press release about the resolution sent to Congress by the White House

The Council on American-Islamic Relations
A press release cautioning against unilateral action

The Islamic Human Rights Commission
An "urgent alert" against action in Iraq


        See this Youtube video, The real terrorist was me US Soldier, by one of our soldiers in Iraq.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's oil.
      See why many West Point Graduates are disowning the war created and mismanaged by our current "Commander in Chief" : www.westpointgradsagainstthewar.org and why so many others in the Military feel the same way : MilitaryFamiliesSpeakOut yahoo groups
See the Conservative business leaders' treasonous plot
to overthrow President Franklin D. Roosevelt


Here is what Bush's friends in the business community
are writing about this war in Business Week magazine

Not even President George Bush I agrees with President Bush II's war !

This group proves that Military people
don't have to be warmongers:
MilitaryFamiliesSpeakOut-subscribe@yahoogroups.com



The phoney campaign to discredit war protestors:
        The stories about Vietnam war-protestors spitting on returning veterans was nothing but the deceitful inventions of Conservative dirty tricksters :
        atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2003-03-26/fishwrapper.html
        "Jerry Lempcke, a professor at Holy Cross College in Massachusetts, has scoured the records from the 1960s and 1970s.  "It simply never happened," he told me last week, adding that other researchers have found the same.  No news reports, no evidence that anti-war demonstrators abused our troops.
        "The spitting story evolved as a way to discredit the anti-war movement," says Lempcke, a Vietnam vet.  "It was particularly used in 1990 and '91 to persuade people against opposing the first Gulf war.  The grounding of the story was as an alibi to explain why we lost the Vietnam war, that it was lost on the home front from a lack of patriotism.  And the clear record shows that the spitting did not happen and that the war was lost long before public opinion had turned against it."


"Victory of the Loud Little Handful"
( the "Noisy Minority" )
by Mark Twain

        The loud little handful - as usual - will shout for the war. The pulpit will – warily and cautiously – object. . . at first.  The great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly,  "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it."
        Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded, but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the antiwar audiences will thin out and lose popularity.
        Before long, you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men. . .
        Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.
Mark Twain, "The Mysterious Stranger" (1910)

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fail. Think of it, always."

Gandhi

"I know not what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-Albert Einstein
        "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"
Mahatma Gandhi, "Non-Violence in Peace and War"

        "The nuclear arms race is like two people standing in a room up to their waists in gasoline arguing over who has the most matches."
Carl Sagan
A Little-Known Conflict That
Foreshadowed the Century to Come (20th)
The American-Philippine War of 1899–1902
Jan 13, 2010, by Darryl Hamson
        "The decision to crush the Philippine independence movement (by Republican imperialists,o President McKinley and Senator Albert Jeremiah Beveridge of Indiana) put America firmly on the path to imperialism and all its consequences.."
[ Read excellent article at
http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_americanphilippine_war_of_18991902#ixzz0cpNmP02I ]
What REALLY Crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 ?

"The New American Legacy of George W. Bush" by David Fabie,
(a former Republican and an HR/Learning and Development Consultant in San Francisco, CA,
who says "my political party left ME in 1992". )

        "I remember the day like it was just yesterday.  June 12th, 1987.  I was a 17 year-old exchange student in Germany.  Standing there at the Berlin Wall watching the President of the United States state in words so clear, so commanding that they seemed to reverberate through the crowd like an electric current.
        "Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
        An elderly man standing near me the crowd saw I was an American and the tapped me on the arm, asked if I spoke German and when I said yes, he pointed towards the podium and said "only the American President could say that and mean it." It wasn't until days later back in Munich I asked the grandfather in my German host family what did he think the man meant by that.  He explained to me at the end of World War II German soldiers were fleeing westward with one goal in mind: Escape the advancing Soviet troops and surrender to the Americans.  It was a known fact that the Americans would treat captured enemy combatants in accordance with the Geneva Convention and if you were caught by anyone else you were taking your chances.  It gave America a moral authority in the post war world that the Soviets didn't have.  It was "moral capital" that gave successive American Presidents from Truman to Clinton the ability to stand before the world, demand justice, speak for freedom lead the world and mean it. 
        It was moral authority that allowed Truman to fight communist aggression on the Korean Peninsula, Eisenhower to deliver his Atoms For Peace speech at the United Nations proposing an international atomic energy agency and peaceful development of nuclear energy.  It was moral capital that gave Kennedy the ability pull the world back from the very brink of nuclear war and face down Soviet military ambitions in Cuba.  It gave Richard Nixon the chance to move détente' from being a nice idea, to real dialogue in China, and over a kitchen counter in Moscow.  Moral authority that Americans and the world would find reassuring in hands of Gerald Ford, and it enabled Jimmy Carter to take two nations that had been at war since the time of Moses, and into the woods of Camp David and lead their two leaders to peace.
        The moral authority that came from America doing the right thing, the fair thing and the just thing in war , forty years later would empower Ronald Reagan to call an evil empire by its name, and demand the wall it built through a city be torn down.  The trust that America does the right thing, would enable George Herbert Walker Bush to say in his inaugural address "When America says something, America means it.  Whether in an agreement, a treaty or a vow made on marble steps!" The faith that America does the right thing would let George H W Bush meet with that same soviet leader and end a cold war that gripped the world for decades.  The idea that America does the right thing would lead skeptical Arab nations to follow that same President Bush to free Kuwait from Iraqi aggression.  The faith that America does the right thing, would lead a hesitant and fickle Europe to follow Bill Clinton when he said the world community could not allow the ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia to go unchallenged.
        That authority, that capital, that faith in America as the nation that does what is right, has been destroyed by George W. Bush.  The pictures from Abu Ghraib prison, the FBI reports on torture and abuse of enemy combatants takes that great American legacy of doing what was right, and tears it to shreds.
        Rather than lead with the moral authority stemming from generations of American soldiers and leaders doing what was right.  We have a President of the United States who has to attack Amnesty International, ridicule the United Nations and insult traditional allies all to avoid admitting his own massive mistakes .  Such as claims in the State of the Union Address, they have to be "re examined " when they turn out to be completely false.  Now we find when the President of the United States needs most to enlist the help and support of the global community the best he can do is "You are either with us or you are with the terrorists".  Now we find when America goes to war, it is for reasons that are continually changed as they are proven to be fabricated, cherry picked and far more spin, than truth.
        I was never so proud to be an American as I was that day in 1987.  The American President, MY President stood before the Berlin Wall and before the world and affirmed that American would demand what was right and mean it.  Now I watch the President and cringe.  For the last century when the American President spoke, the world stood up to listen.  Now when President George W. Bush speaks the best we can hope for is Scott McClellan won't be forced to "clarify" things when reality, facts and the truth continue to prove the President to be either wrong, or deliberately dishonest."



What do you remember about Ford & the"Mayaguez incident"?


        Everybody who lived through the Carter years remembers how impotent he appeared to be. What a contrast to strong Republican presidents like Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bushes 41 & 43. If those who lived through the Gerald Ford administration, however, remember the "Mayaguez incident" at all, what they remember is that Ford acted forcefully to the hijacking of an American commercial ship by terrorists and quickly rescued all 39 of the American civilian captives. Even at the time nobody seemed to care that the cost of rescuing those 39 civilians was the lives of 42 military personnel, not to mention those who were badly wounded. Because Carter was cautious and patient and lost no American lives, he was deemed weak, while Ford was viewed as strong.

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